Best "X" Litre Engine

"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve) 06/16/2014 at 15:42 • Filed to: Best X Litre

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I have not made a Best X Litre engine since long ago, so for this one I give you a nice number. 6.2.

My choice for this is the very definition of German Muscle car engine. The 6.2 Litre AMG powerplant from either the SLS AMG or the C63 AMG. The German folks who put the enigne together and signed the plate at the top of the engine bay should be proud of this, very proud.

This engine earned its place in several great cars, but when fitted to the SLS AMG Black series it produced an astonishing 622 HP and 468 lb.-ft. of torque to the rear wheels! I seriously beilive it is the best looking car Mercedes has ever built, and the engine in it deserves to be in the holy trinity of V8s.

So tell me Opponauts, what is the best 6.2 Litre Engine?

JGrabowMSt > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:45

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Hellcat 6.2L

bob and john > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:46

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wasnt the LS series offered in a 6.2L guise? because thats pretty much the end all to that question

Jedidiah > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:46

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Obligatory LS3 post.

Saracen > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:47

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Agreed on the engine

but...best looking Mercedes ever?

You picked the wrong gullwing.

Brian Silvestro > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:47

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I'm pretty sure the FF has a 6.2L

YSI-what can brown do for you > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:47

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LS9 cause I already said Lamborghini V12.

But if I did say Lambo V12. . .

Saracen > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 15:48

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An engine that isn't even in production yet, and doesn't have have an official output listed. Fanboi much?

MazdaMonkey > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:48

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The GM LSA engine, from the CTS-V and Camaro ZL1 makes 580HP and 556TQ.

This is my favorite application:

Audi-os, Amigos! > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 15:48

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Best-looking gullwing of the last 50 years.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:48

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Raptor! (Because I'm apparently a full on Ford Fanboi now)

I give some good points to the Hellcat JGrabowMSt posted as well though....

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:49

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Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 15:51

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Yes the Hellcat.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:51

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GMC 379:

Yes, that's a big block V6.

For Sweden > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:51

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There is no substitute for an LS9

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:52

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LT4/LS3

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:52

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Not sure about best.. but I like this one,.

Saracen > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:53

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JGrabowMSt > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 15:53

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Well excuse you, Douche Elitist indeed.

A3R0 > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:53

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Well, I would side with you but since you took the Mercedes motor I'll go with this.

Supposedly 638 horsepower and a 6.2 liter with a supercharger.

dogisbadob > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 15:59

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The Boss engine in the Raptor?

mr_gofast > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:01

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hell yes.

Saracen > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:04

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Well, am I wrong? No.

Camry-Into-Canyon > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 16:11

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End of discussion.

JGrabowMSt > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 16:14

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The question was about X Liter engines. I posted said X Liter engine, though wrapped up in a pretty nice package.

If you don't like that, fine. Just remember that bottles are for babies, and if you can't talk about cars without saying horsepower every other sentence, you need to go back to your own clubhouse. I'll be busy in the garage actually wrenching on my car.

Coty > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:19

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Well, how do you know it's the best if there's no figures to back it up?

Vicente Esteve > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:21

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Haha this Hellcat engine has won so many followers on ONLY Noise and Stats. I cant wait for a good review!

Vicente Esteve > bob and john 06/16/2014 at 16:21

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Haha, yes, the LS is a valid choice. Knew it would pop up.

Vicente Esteve > Jedidiah 06/16/2014 at 16:22

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Obligatory post is obligatory!

Vicente Esteve > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 16:23

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I know someone would disagree. I just like the more exagerated looks of it more than the original. Weird I know, and not the Black series, but the regular SLS, like Mr. Battery Tender has.

Vicente Esteve > Brian Silvestro 06/16/2014 at 16:23

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Yes!! It was either this or the FF V12.

Vicente Esteve > MazdaMonkey 06/16/2014 at 16:24

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Fantastic Choice. I heard that it also does wonders in the ZL1 Camaro!

mcseanerson > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:25

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How flexible are we with this? Because I got a 6,262 cc V12 for you.

The type F140 when paired with the KERS system provides 789 HP and 516 lb. ft.

The Ferrari The Ferrari. How can you argue with that.

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/16/2014 at 16:25

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Raptor is a great choice! I love the brashness of the 6.2 L Badge

Racescort666 > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:26

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LS9

Vicente Esteve > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 06/16/2014 at 16:26

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Dat Raptor

JGrabowMSt > Coty 06/16/2014 at 16:26

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The best part about this is that I don't need to back it up with anything.

It's a HEMI.

Vicente Esteve > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 06/16/2014 at 16:27

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Holy crap, and I thought the 4.3 Litre V6 of the Silverado was big.

Coty > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:27

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The best part is I don't need facts.

It has VTEC.

Vicente Esteve > For Sweden 06/16/2014 at 16:28

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He approves

Vicente Esteve > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 06/16/2014 at 16:29

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Is your father getting the SS?

Vicente Esteve > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 06/16/2014 at 16:29

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Wow

Vicente Esteve > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 16:29

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Mmmmmmm Cursive Letters on an Engine bay.

mcseanerson > Coty 06/16/2014 at 16:30

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Sad but true, you have discovered that Mopar fanboys are the Honda fanboys of the big 3.

Frosted > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:30

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That really means nothing. Dodge could put a 100 horsepower engine into a Dart and call it a Hemi.

Vicente Esteve > A3R0 06/16/2014 at 16:30

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Supacharga FTW

Vicente Esteve > dogisbadob 06/16/2014 at 16:31

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Uhm. I think the boss has the 5.0.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:31

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Not yet. He's not getting anything for a few months, but he does like it.

PS9 > Coty 06/16/2014 at 16:33

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What a killshot.

Vicente Esteve > mcseanerson 06/16/2014 at 16:33

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Thats probably the best photo ive seen of the LaFerrari. Why? BECAUSE ITS BEING ACTUALLY USED

Vicente Esteve > Racescort666 06/16/2014 at 16:33

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Solid Choice is Solid.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:33

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It's pretty much like Ford was thinking "yeah its a big fucking motor, we're not going to be shy about it"

mcseanerson > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:34

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True, a common problem of most supercars, but especially the hypercars.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 06/16/2014 at 16:34

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Dammit, I was gonna post that old Detroit 6.2.

PS9 > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 06/16/2014 at 16:34

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WAT

Coty > mcseanerson 06/16/2014 at 16:34

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Don't say that.

-Mopar owner.

I know my car barely gets out of its own way.

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/16/2014 at 16:35

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"You see that decal in the back. Thats not only mud. THATS GOOD DAMN BAJA 1,000 COURSE MUD! Because this bitch is getting DIRTY!

Party-vi > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:36

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No it's not. The hemi engine used two valves in a hemispherical-shaped combustion chamber. The new HEMI engines are just a brand name - the combustion chamber is not even close to what a real hemi engine looks like:

JGrabowMSt > Frosted 06/16/2014 at 16:36

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I don't see why they shouldn't. A turbo HEMI Dart would be pretty badass.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:38

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if you think the 4.3L is big in the Silverado, remember it was an option/standard in every single S10 Blazer/Pickup variant until they switched to the Colorado/Canyon.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:39

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you're thinking of the limited production run boss 302.

The Raptor engine is technically the boss engine or "hurricane" motor.

crowmolly > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:46

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1.) Be careful with your HP numbers. Unless I am mistaken the rated HP numbers are at the fly, not the wheels

2.)

750hp/730tq out of 6.2.

dogisbadob > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 16:47

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No really, the Raptor's engine is actually called the Ford Boss Engine

JGrabowMSt > Party-vi 06/16/2014 at 16:48

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I know what a HEMI is, and why it has the name. The new combustion chamber is just an engineering decision to make the car perform better. I have a 5.7L "HEMI" myself. Just because the combustion chamber can't double as a tray for softballs doesn't mean it isn't a HEMI.

Frosted > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:48

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I'm not talkin about turbos here. I mean a 100 horsepower 4 cylinder engine that's fuel economy oriented. And Dodge slaps some Hemi badges on it.

JGrabowMSt > Frosted 06/16/2014 at 16:49

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You say it as if having a Turbo negatively affects the fuel economy of the engine.

Jedidiah > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 06/16/2014 at 16:52

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They also made a 478 cubic inch (7.8L) v6 from this block and 702 cubic inch (11.2 L) v12 from this block. They also 637 cubic inch (10.4 L) V8 made from this block. Needless to say they are amazing. Most people didn't realize that GMC trucks had their own engine designs.

Frosted > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 16:53

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Well you already need premium which is more expensive and a negative in the eyes of someone wanting an MPG friendly car. Coupled with most turbos actually not helping fuel economy as it is. Maybe a low pressure tuned to act as though the car was N/A could help a little but not enough to counter the cost of the higher octane fuel.

GhostZ > Saracen 06/16/2014 at 16:53

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The Hellcat's boost regulator goes up to 11.6 psi max, and the peak power RPM is 6000. The transmission is rated for 663 ft/lbs. Injectors are rated for 600cc, which is enough to support ~1400 HP at full tilt, so they're not limiting anything. http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/hel…

If it can maintain ~50% of peak boost ( 5.8 psi) by the time it hits peak RPM, it will hit 600 HP easily. If it maintains ~75% of peak boost (8.7 psi) by the time it hits peak RPM, it hits 700 HP.

Since neither of these numbers blows the transmission rating at 6000 RPM, I have a feeling that they can keep up 6-7 PSI consistently, which means that unless it's very, very conservatively tuned it is at least 640HP. My guess is that problems keeping boost up against mounting heat is why they haven't released numbers.

EDIT: And putting the blower specs into this handy tool from the guys who made Engine Analyzer Pro yeilds a peak PSI rating of 17.5 on the stock pulley.

http://performancetrends.com/Calculators/Su…

Seems to me that the transmission is the weakest part of the engine.

JGrabowMSt > Frosted 06/16/2014 at 17:05

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Maybe if "regular" gasoline wasn't such a fallback for so many. Regardless, I do understand your point, but a lot of new cars are being tuned for midgrade 89. It's a way for manufacturers to get the higher power, but lower running costs that consumers essentially want to see.

No one seriously looking at buying a big engined car, or something as unique as a 4cyl HEMI would be such a brainless consumer*. Sure, it's a name, but do look on the other hand, at how many people put regular into cars that really shouldn't be getting it. They function. If an engine is supposed to sound like a can of nuts and bolts after 100k miles.

I think another thing is that turbocharging a car has become nearly synonymous with going for higher boost, and I don't get that either. Low boost is perfectly acceptable, and results in increased fuel economy for highway usage. Maybe a nominal difference around town.

*I'd like to hope this, but I also know that it's really unlikely to work out that way. We can all hope for something right?

Party-vi > JGrabowMSt 06/16/2014 at 17:06

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Your HEMI engine is as much a hemi as the Veyron is a Bugatti - in name only in an attempt to get nostalgic people to open their wallets. Just my opinion.

JGrabowMSt > Party-vi 06/16/2014 at 17:10

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At no point have I disagreed with you, I know what you're saying about the HEMI, and it's 100% correct. They simply aren't made like they used to be. That said, it's not a square cylinder head, it has a bit of a HEMI to it, and there's no rule in the book that it has to be a certain volume in order to be classified as a HEMI.

But dat 2 valve sound is quite nice. Regardless of how much of a HEMI it is.

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/16/2014 at 17:37

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Holy crap! Thats good to know

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/16/2014 at 17:37

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Thanks for the knowledge

Vicente Esteve > crowmolly 06/16/2014 at 17:38

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I got them from Wikipedia, I am not sure what horsepower, but I guess the were the stats given by AMG. Also, great choice.

Vicente Esteve > dogisbadob 06/16/2014 at 17:38

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MY RAPTOR HAS A BOSS

crowmolly > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 17:52

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Numbers are right, but IIRC that's rated at the flywheel on an engine dyno, not at the wheels on a chassis dyno so it doesn't take into account drivetrain losses.

Vicente Esteve > crowmolly 06/16/2014 at 17:54

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Oh yes, I understand now. I dont know, German cars seem to be underrated always.

crowmolly > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 17:55

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Most people think most cars are underrated. LOL.

Vicente Esteve > crowmolly 06/16/2014 at 17:58

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Haha, my 2 -Point-Slow? Yeah its rated at 125 lb.-ft. of torque, but my take is 165 lb-ft. So yeah, its faster than your FRS.

crowmolly > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 18:00

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It's all fun and games until you are on the chassis dyno.

crowmolly > GhostZ 06/16/2014 at 18:08

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The new supercharger, sealed for life with synthetic oil,

Just no. Add a service interval. Cut the shit, SRT. Everything else is amazing.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 18:31

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Bro do you even LT4!?!?

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/16/2014 at 18:35

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Just how many 6.2 Engines has Chevy Made?!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 18:38

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Well, there's the LT1, LT4, LS3, L92, L99, LS9, and LSA, then whatever the 6.2L truck engine is called.

There's probably more than that, but those are just the ones from the LS and LT engine families, there's probably even more if you look back even further.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/16/2014 at 19:18

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Wow, haha, thats a GM fan right there. Thanks for the info

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 20:05

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I'll throw out another vote for the Mercedes M156 and M159.

Grindintosecond > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 21:17

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Who else currently makes a 6.2? Merc, Dodge, at one point chevy but really....lets make a best of X to X displacement.

Ryan Falconer v-12 available in 6.5, but i'm sure he can squeeze it down to a 6.2 if you have the cash.

Vicente Esteve > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 06/16/2014 at 21:51

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Another great Mercedes Engine

Vicente Esteve > Grindintosecond 06/16/2014 at 21:52

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Wow, that is a great looking engine.

Grindintosecond > Vicente Esteve 06/16/2014 at 21:54

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i just posted on who makes it...check it out.

Vicente Esteve > Grindintosecond 06/16/2014 at 22:05

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That guy is awesome!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/17/2014 at 09:26

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oh yeah I used to have a blast in my 88 blazer. It was even lighter, and a 2 door.

Oh and we hopped the 4.3L up in it (bored 60 over, mild cam, ported heads, roller rockers, exhaust), was a beast of a V6 in a small truck.

Man I miss that thing. Wish I had it as a winter beater. 4x4 was unstoppable. drove it through 10-12 inches of unplowed/untouched snow one day with no problems. and it was not lifted lol

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/17/2014 at 09:48

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Having a car where you just dont care where you drive it through is awesome. Had a similar experience with a 2002 4x4 F-150 I used a couple of months. Quite unstoppable.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/17/2014 at 09:51

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yeah I miss owning a truck.

I went from that 88 blazer to an 04 blazer 4 door (4x4 of course) to an 07 mercury milan v6.

don't get me wrong the Milan is a great little/functional/gas saving trusty car with plenty of "go" for daily driving.

It's just not fun to not be able to run over stuff lol

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/17/2014 at 10:11

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Haha yeah, Ive been in a Milan, I like it. I think you can get those with a stick!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/17/2014 at 10:28

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you actually can, but I think you can only get the 4 cylinder in stick.

I have no interest in DDing a stick though so it doesn't concern me. I was looking for a Fusion originally, and found out I could (for the same price) get more options in the base model V6 Milan!

Vicente Esteve > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/17/2014 at 10:45

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Yeah, its only the 4 cil.

Haha, I dont know why but I would buy Mercurys instead of Fusions to have something a bit more unique.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Vicente Esteve 06/17/2014 at 10:55

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It's got some nice touches. It also has nicer finishes and seats, chrome, and things are standard on the Milan that are high level on the Fusion, like steering wheel controls.